Saturday, March 29, 2008

Parsley, Hagee and The Fellowship: "Obama, Clinton and McCain Can Stay - But The Rest of You UN-CHRISTIAN FOREIGNERS Have to GO!!"


OK, that's one talk show host's rant targeting gays and lesbians, but to some people it includes everyone who's been in this country less than 50 years. It was only 100 years ago that the U.S. seemed to have another serious immigration problem which the press labeled "The Yellow Peril!" The Chinese immigrant was reviled on an unprecidented scale: he took jobs that nobody else seemed to want (thousands of Chinese died building the Union Pacific Railroad), but his families grew at a faster rate than most of the country. And of course there was also his strange "sinister" culture and "heathen" religion.

Last year, NYT gave a great comparison of the candidate's views and actions on immigration, which, on the surface sounded pretty much alike.
There are some little sound bites, however...


Supports a path to legalization for illegal immigrants that includes learning English and paying fines; toughen penalties for hiring illegal immigrants; voted for fence along Mexican border.

Create system to verify employment eligibility. Supports guest worker programs but would like immigrant workers to be less dependent on employers to stay in the country. Supports granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants.

"[We] have to recognize that we've got 12 million undocumented workers who are already here. Many of them living their lives alongside other Americans. Their kids are going to school. Many of the kids, in fact, were born in this country and are citizens. And so, it's absolutely vital that we bring those families out of the shadows and that we give them the opportunity to travel a pathway to citizenship. It's not automatic citizenship. It's not amnesty. They would have to pay a fine. They would have to not have engaged in any criminal activity. They would have to learn English. They would have to go to the back of the line so that they did not get citizenship before those persons who had come here legally."


Supports a path to legalization for illegal immigrants that includes learning English and paying fines; toughen penalties for hiring illegal immigrants; voted for fence along Mexican border.

Make it easier for immigrants to bring families. Supports agricultural jobs program; opposes guest worker program that can lower wages of American workers or exploit immigrants. Create new system to verify employment eligibility. Opposes driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.

"After 9/11, we've got to know who's in this country. And then giving them a chance to pay a fine, pay back taxes, learn English and stand in line to be eligible for a legal status in this country."


Supports a path to legalization for illegal immigrants that includes learning English and paying fines; voted for fence along Mexican border.

"We need to have a guest worker program. ... Our proposal is basically you can get a tamper-proof visa after your job has been proven that it cannot be filled by an American citizen. ... What do you do with the 11 million people that are already here? ... Make them earn citizenship because they have broken our laws. My friends, thats not amnesty. Amnesty is forgiveness. We're not forgiving anything."

Since the enormous flap over spiritual mentors, shouldn't we also take a look at what they, the mentors and endorsers think about immigration? Aren't there moral questions to be answered? Immigration reforms will effect not only Catholic Hispanics, but Asians and Arab and Pakistani Muslims as well.

Obama's Jeremiah Wright:

Even though there is little evidence of Wright's thoughts on immigration, my guess is that a look at his past sermons will reveal someone who supports "sanctuary cities" (like San Francisco). Today's black churches are struggling with diversity issues, trying to encompass people who are not necessarily in the black community.

McCain's Rod Parsley:

Rod Parsley is one of a group called the "Patriot Pastors". Firebrand Parsley's sermons are not only anti-gay, they're anti-everything - except prosperity. "Patriot Pastors" and its offshoot "Let Freedom Ring" have spawned another group called (overtly) “Patriot Pastors”is considered a “vanguard” of a church-based political “awakening.” Can anyone here say the words white Christian theocracy?

Hillary Clinton's mentor, "The Fellowship" (aka "The Family" and "The Foundation")

According to Mother Jones, Clinton has been meeting regularly with The Foundation's women's bible study groups since 1993 and moving up through its ranks. Clinton herself has written in Living History about Doug Coe (the group's leader) and her first encounter with him at The Foundation's estate and how deeply he impressed her. According to one of Mother Jones' sources, a Coe supporter, Clinton "has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance." The article goes on to report that "These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast." But, despite the words she has written about Coe and the reports of her deepening involvement with the Fellowship, Clinton has refused requests by the press for interviews about Coe and her membership in The Fellowship. "But clearly, she is not as scrupulous about her association with religious figures in her life as she claimed when attacking Barack Obama for remaining in Pastor Jeremiah Wright's congregation."

Almost sounds like some kind of "vast Christian-wing conspiracy" to me. And being oddly secretive is not good.

So, which candidate do you think is going to support diversty the most? Ethnic diversity, racial diversity, sexual diversity, religious diversity, culural diversity. They're all in the mix. If you don't approve of just one of them, does that make you a hypocrit?

How easily they forget


Anonymous said...

I am a Christian and I am sorry, but I do not believe that our Father, God himself, intended for this Nation to support a third world countries people.

When this nation is very near bankruptcy itself, and borrowing very large sums of money from China,
our poor leadership has put us deeper in the hole, and has the American taxpayer footing the bill, instead of Employers.

With the influx of invaders from other countries, most who do not speak the language, and far exceeds the quota from latino countries to be allowed in for citizenship, we find our selves paying for the less trained hispanics, who work many jobs that are by our own GOVT. standards,
they are under the poverty-level.

We, then are required to make up the difference to make a good life for them.
Even tho these are some of God's children, I believe that their own Corrupt Govt.'s should still be responsible for their own people, not us.!!!
We do not need any guilt trips about not being Christians, or feeling sorry for some other countries people.

These corrupt latino leaders have capitalized on our own countries lax laws ,which should have been updated years ago, and tell their people to invade America, since once you are here, you will not be deported, unless you have committed crimes.

It is true, that our own lax laws have allowed this scenario.
First, to sneak into our country is only a misdeamor,where in all other countries,it is a felony.

Secondly, a big reason to come here is to have babies, which by our laws, American citizens are required to pay for all health problems, whether a citizen or not.

But, having a baby born on our soil, which was only intended for slave babies 143 years ago, had not been changed to jus sanguinis, whereby one parent must be an American citizen. Again, laxity by a lax American congress, forcing us to again to pick up the tab.

Now being Christian is one thing, but by putting a monetary burden on the American taxpayer is simply
Most of us have raised our own children, and are definitely NOT desiring to raise another countries families, and babies.

God in His wisdom knows that by being corrupt and failing to take care of its own peoples, His anger will be divided then between those countries, AND, our DEMO controlled Congress for their own corruption for placing a burden on its tax payers, and by sane and logical reasoning, knowing that the Lobbyists have paid off many members of Congress for having only a desire for the payoffs, rather than fixing the immigration problems facing this country.

May God punish all, for their sins, and not us, who had nothing to do with allowing this invasion.

Peace be with you....!!!

anonymous (not THE anonymous) said...

only an idiot would think that a god would have any interest in immigration. what is the religion of most hispanic immigrants? Christian? same god as yours? so that god wants them to be kept in their place where every single thing is LESS than it is in this country? maybe god inspires them to improve their lot in life by coming here? what a ridiculous idea that any god has any opinion on anything like this. you are using your religion to justify your hatred and prejudiced views.

Anonymous said...

Blacks4Barack presents:
Hillary's Religion (cult ?) 'THE FAMILY'
Very Scary !
Prays To Jesus For The Elite To Rule The World

The media has repeatedly aired the short clips of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's rhetoric in attempt to discredit and smear Barack Obama. But what's even more interesting is the fact that the media never discusses Hillary Clinton's religion, which is extremely telling and even frightening. A closer look into her 'religion' gives one a clearer picture of why she is the way she is.In a recent article by Steven Brandt many truths about Hillary's religion, called ' The Family' will make you shutter. The question is....where's the media on this one ?

Brandt writes, "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." said Hillary Clinton, to reporters and editors of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review on Tuesday the 25th. This is an interesting choice of words, since -- while we mostly hear about her Methodist upbringing -- Hillary Clinton has chosen to associate herself with The Family (also known as the Fellowship), a very conservative, fundamentalist organization started by Abraham Vereide...
" immigrant preacher who in 1935 organized a small group of businessmen sympathetic to European fascism, fusing the Far Right with his own polite but authoritarian faith. From that core, Vereide built an international network of fundamentalists who spoke the language of establishment power, a "family" that thrives to this day. In public, they host prayer breakfasts; in private they preach a gospel of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao, Doug Coe, the Family's current leader, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."
This quote is taken from the book on The Family by the same name which will be published in May... a book which claims to
"...dramatically challenge conventional wisdom about American fundamentalism, revealing its crucial role in the unraveling of the New Deal, the waging of the Cold War, and the no-holds-barred economics of globalization. The question Sharlet believes we must ask is not "What do fundamentalists want?" but "What have they already done?"
A long article was written about Hillary Clinton's participation in this organization last September in Mother Jones, and The Family, itself, was the subject of an extensive article in Harper's in March of 2003. And on March 21st, The Nation published an article on Hillary and The Family by Barbara Ehrenreich that was published on The Huffington Post and CBS News' web site.
The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power - cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells."
...wrote Ms.Ehrenreich.
Is it possible that Hillary's participation in this fundamentalist group -- which apparently preaches the "gospel of military might" -- would help explain her vote in favor of authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq? Is it possible her pro-NAFTA stance during her husband's administration comes from its embrace of "the no-holds-barred economics of globalization"? Is it possible that the sense some get that Hillary feels entitled to be president comes in part from this group's belief that "it's only the elites who matter"?
I encourage any reporter covering Hillary's campaign to ask her about all this.

At a time when so many people are wondering what sort of effect the Rev. Wright's sermons may have had on Barack Obama, I think it's only fair to ask what sort of effect The Family's fundamentalist mission has had - and continues to have - on Hillary Clinton. We know that George Bush engages in truly fundamentalist thinking. There is no person or new information capable of challenging his belief that what he already knows is right. Is Hillary Clinton like this in some way? I am not sure.

But the opinion I have formed from this is that - while Hillary Clinton may be considered a Liberal by many - on the inside she is a deeply Conservative person... possibly as close to being a Republican today as she was when she was a young woman supporting Senator Goldwater. This helps explain, to me, why she and John McCain are such good friends. They are both drawn to the use of military power and free market capitalism... and to taking money from lobbyists. The other opinion I have formed is that those who say there are no policy differences between Hillary and Barack haven't taken into account how their religious differences might impact the policies they would actually seek to implement as president.
(end of article)

So now a few things make more sense about Hillary. In review, she's in a kinda power-hungry cult which is actually run by her fellow Republicans which she is secretly one of ! It also makes sense why she could care less about detroying the Democratic Party. Also, beware of her claim to work toward ending the Iraq war. That is another great lie that she is telling. If you listen to her claims she commonly repeats ' I will start getting troops out within my first 60 days '.....How many ? 3....1000...10,000 ? Don't be fooled. Hillary has no desire to end the war. She'll bring 5 troops home then say that she kept her word.

The media should be called out for not exposing this cult. Problem is, they would also be revealing the truths about their fellow Republican's plan and prayers to 'rule the world' by any means. So it's up to us, regular Americans like you and I, to help spread the truth in spite of the media.....For The Re-Birth of America !

Greg Jones
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