tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4339475613645279083.post5367061816655208427..comments2023-11-05T02:53:58.598-08:00Comments on The Devil and Dan Vojir: The Sins Of Rick Warren: Sin #1 "Wives Must Submit!"DFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07003705351039137032noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4339475613645279083.post-14825685611385736442009-01-25T12:35:00.000-08:002009-01-25T12:35:00.000-08:00As a Christian minister AND a certified domestic a...As a Christian minister AND a certified domestic abuse counselor- the "abuser" turning a new leaf is rare to none. More often- it is taught behavior from his childhood, deeply embedded and accepted as the norm. Check the statistics and get educated for goodness sake!<BR/><BR/>Typically, they only get counselling because they are forced by the court- since, most-if not all, do not believe they have done anything wrong. Abusers believe it is their right, because the woman is their property and they have been taught it is ok. For these cowards- it is about control over a woman.<BR/><BR/>They are like pedophiles- they don't change, of their own will. They have a devil in them- and have no desire to let go of it. They are like animals. My first woman I counceled said he'd kill her-- and when he got out of jail-- he certainly did. The law does NOT provide much help. It is temporary-at best. Get educated- it is an eye-opener! And it is a matter of life and death.<BR/><BR/>It is rare to see any man truly repent-- I've never known of one. Get real!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4339475613645279083.post-56983479325102267742009-01-25T12:31:00.000-08:002009-01-25T12:31:00.000-08:00Maybe Rick Warren and his church need to dig a bit...Maybe Rick Warren and his church need to dig a bit deeper Anonymous! There are other scripture within the word to show he is incorrect with saying you must stay with them.<BR/><BR/>When the abuser doesn't turn from his ways? The bible speaks of helping those under bondage and oppressed, and if you look deeper it means a bit more than 'pray for them'. It also means more than offering counsel from a church that doesn't believe in educating themselves on domestic violence. The director there that handles this issue told people 'they don't need to - they depend on God. Don't you have enough faith?"<BR/><BR/>SURE the police will arrest them, but they don't do much after that. Don't believe me? Check it out. Its a misdeanor not felony. The 'servants on this earth' at Saddleback - along with many others - tell the oppressed stay, separate and pray. That's not punishment when they are unwilling to address abusers or hold them accountable. Its called enabling.<BR/><BR/>Churches are relying on God to do the work they are to afraid to truly address. That's sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4339475613645279083.post-47567377466254586112009-01-25T08:45:00.000-08:002009-01-25T08:45:00.000-08:00The ground for divorce that Rick speaks of are God...The ground for divorce that Rick speaks of are God's not Rick's rules, as they are taken directly from the Bible.<BR/><BR/>Wife beaters should be in jail. In no way is abuse of a wife allowable under God's law. God will punish abusers thorugh his servants on earth. Call the police and sign the complaint. <BR/><BR/>Marriage can be maintained while the abuser is incarcerated. Prayer and the will of God, may transform the wife beater (it happens!) and the marraige may go on in peace under the blessings of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com